During a Mass last week, Pope–Petrus Romanus–Francis called ideological Christianity “an illness.” According to the Encarta dictionary, Ideology can mean 1) an organized system of beliefs, values, and ideas forming the basis of a social, economic, or political philosophy or program. 2) a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world. When considering Christianity then the second seems most applicable but it is not necessarily negative. It seems to me it means one tries to live consistently with what claims to believe. Pope Francis finds that unacceptable:
Interestingly, the Pope also criticized conservative Catholics for protesting abortion and same-sex marriage. When asked about homosexual priests who had infiltrated the Roman system he replied, “Who am I to judge?” startling words from the so-called vicar of Christ. As a result, secular humanists, abortionists and homosexuals are beside themselves with joy over the pope’s position against the hated fundamentalism. The term “fundamentalist” has been given a bad spin and I would like to correct it.
In 1846, the Evangelical Alliance was formed to unite all believers who saw liberalism as a denial of the faith. At a meeting in Niagara Falls, New York, they listed the five “fundamentals” that could not be denied without falling into the error of liberalism. These were: (1) inerrancy of Scripture, (2) the divinity of Jesus, (3) the Virgin birth, (4) Jesus’ death on the cross as a substitute for our sins, and (5) his physical resurrection and impending return. These doctrines are what separate the sheep from the goats. The church I attend affirms all of them. If yours does not, consider finding a new place to worship. While it is argued here that they are all essentials, two, four and five cannot be denied while in any meaningful way remaining a Christian. After all, Christ is the center of Christianity, the Gospel is His death and resurrection and the great hope of the believer is in Jesus’ promise to return (Heb 9:28; Tit 2:13).
Even the outspoken atheist Christopher Hitchens has better understanding of Christianity than Pope Francis. This is an excerpt from an interview of Hitchens by a Unitarian minister Marilyn Sewell concerning his book God is Not Great:
Sewell: The religion you cite in your book is generally the fundamentalist faith of various kinds. I’m a liberal Christian, and I don’t take the stories from the scripture literally. I don’t believe in the doctrine of atonement (that Jesus died for our sins, for example). Do you make and distinction between fundamentalist faith and liberal religion?
Hitchens: I would say that if you don’t believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ and Messiah, and that he rose again from the dead and by his sacrifice our sins are forgiven, you’re really not in any meaningful sense a Christian.[1]
It is terribly unfortunate that an ardent anti-theist like Hitchens understood Christianity better than a minister like Sewell and, apparently, even the pope himself.
[1] “The Hitchens Transcript”, Portland Monthly, http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/ (accessed 9/29/2011).
About Cris Putnam
This man is a imposter pope he is hand picked from lucifer and he is doing a banged up job for him worse then the others except for Paul vi. He started the terror against Christ and is Mother Mary he changed the real Roman Catholic Church into he Nwo religion or conciliar church of Vatican two john 23 opened a few windows Paul opened the doors Our Lady came wih a warning in 1846 documented approved by he church she said to the children many
Things but the most important was this Rome Will Become The Seat Of The Antichrist and the True Church will be in
eclipse this was fullfilled in 1963 when Lucifer was Enthroned in he popes chapel to honor this victory of lucifer he gae a new papal closure the broken cross mark of the beast the antichrist it is all there if you have eyes to see and ears to hear the signs of he times one last note also you must be wise as Serpants paying attention at all times Rome is gone the big a is coming soon thanks to the little a from john 23 to now for assisting with his arrival I advice you to look up Father Luigi Villa on the Internet read very carefully all his books and you will knowledge turning into
Wisdom to see truth
Amen
I am surprised you did not try to tie the popes beliefs to Rob Skiba.
Hmm..could he be the source of the strong delusion spoken of in 2Thes2-11? If he starts performing miracles, we will have our answer.
What if the ‘miracles’ are really just ‘enlightenments’ because we have enough tech to perform our own miracles…
If the devil wants you to perform miracles, its not too hard.
First, we must wonder how many illnesses are 100% physical versus how many are caused/worsened by demonic influence. Then you pick your person that you want to be the miracle performing false prophet. Someone with a lot of pride and a high office. Then whereever he goes, people start to get healed because the demons willingly leave. Insta-miracle.
People seem to overlook the nature of this Pope. He is a Jesuit. Throughout history when the Catholic church became corrupt or ineffective. A Jesuit would suddenly appear to set things right.
In modern terms of today a Jesuit is a “fixer” of sorts. The outward theology differs from the behind the scenes action(s).
If it wasn’t for the Jesuits during the Martin Refomation in Europe. The Catholic church may have gone away. It was the Jesuits who sought funding from the Bauers and Rothchilds to field armies to slaughter Protestants by the millions. It was either convert or off with your head. Charlemagne directed the genocide of Germany. Over 4 million German peasants where killed under the guise of Jesuits.
Now don’t get me wrong. Atrocities happened on both Protestant and Catholic sides.
We need to step away from theology and dogma somtimes to look at the bigger picture as it’s presented. And even then don’t take what you read or see as face value. Always question…Who Benefits. And you will discover a age old tradition of PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION.
Mark, The Jesuits used to be the foot soldiers of Christ. But they abdicated in the 1920’s and have aligned with Satanic forces since then. Nearly all Jesuits today are sodomites and very anti-morality. There are a few good Jesuit priest, but they are located in the Yukon and other hinter places.
The Traditional Roman Catholics see this Pope for who he is, a further chastisement for the sins of man until we get back on our knees before Him. This does not bode well for the faithful, but even less for the unfaithful.
Babel was the dividing of language which gave rise to religion, culture and tribes “And the Lord said behold, the people is one, and they have all one language”……… Gen11:6
Satan’s whore, Mystery Babylon will cause all the people to ‘speak in unity’ in one (ecumenical spiritual language) in adoration of the Image of the beast. Rev13:8,15 (It is this that will be the universal Ideology of faith)
The proponents of ecumenism say that in the new unification, it would not matter which God you worshipped just as long as you worshipped an image representing God. this is not a literal Image to which a modern humanity renders worship, it is as a ‘spiritual image’ established in the heart of men, The God of ones choice, even Self.
What most Christians seem to neglect or do not realise is that Babylon has not only evolved to be the Great economic power of the end-Times, but that she is also very ‘Religious’.
Listed among all her merchandise is the “Souls of Men” Rev18:13
In the doctrine of the sale of indulgences the souls of men are trafficked in Babylon.
The gods of ancient civilizations were always worshiped by imagery and always associated with the economical power of that civilization.
In every country in the world today, economic powers are holding meetings to establish Global systems with intent to Control the activities of every nation on earth.
All nations are in the fold of the ‘ecumenical sea’ of Babylon. Rev13:1
Those who will not acknowledge her satanic highness and will not drink from the cup of her fornication, will suffer the same consequences, as did the Seed of the Woman in the dark Ages. Rev13:15
The beast has not changed; He still carries the whore. he has just faded into the background and still has all the powers of the “first beast” the power of the Lion, the Bear and the Leopard Daniel7
Cris; you say in your update on Petrus Romanus (We suggest he could be the biblical false prophet “Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon” (Revelation 13:11). In regard to “horns like a lamb,” we expect Pope Francis may first usher in a new liberalized ecumenism rather than hard core old line papal domineering).
“THE NEW LIBERALISED ECUMENISM” = (The universal ideology of faith).
I am saying the same thing above: Satan’s whore, Mystery Babylon will cause all the people to ‘speak in unity’ in one (ecumenical spiritual language) in adoration of the Image of the beast. Rev13:8,15 (It is this that will be the universal Ideology of faith)
What I mean by (One ecumenical spiritual language) is the common agreement among men to accept the precepts of ecumenism propagated by the instrumentality of Rome by the whores man of the hour Petrus Romanus the Two horned Beast.
the pope is saying this publicly but the apologists are saying the opposite to the so called fundamentalists catholics(believers in christ) to keep them in the church. i think the catholic apologists will have even a hard one with this. when he says ideologists and then says they ramble on and repeat prayers isnt this exactly what protestants have said about catholics for centuries. this was for catholics who believe in the old church. Not Christians outside it as it was said during Mass. It is a shot across the bows to people who pray a lot(fundamentalists.) interesting he didnt say what he actually meant more clearly and explain what ideology he follows since he is saying mass which is an ideology of the catholic church. The stupidity of his argument is staggering its as if either a very clever atheist(remember he alluded thats what he was in earlier comments). has taken over or he is a complete idiot. looking at the likes for the original report 50,000 and counting and the comments(the people who left the church saying they were going back) it is a popular line. christ without ideology is actually the church without christ. THIS IS STAGGERING , make no mistake this will not go down well. the cannot get rid of him or force this pope to resign calling him a heretic also means all the Vatican2 popes will come into question as well. I personally as a catholic think this is great because at last the heresy and apostasy in the church is in the open. Those who said it was so are now verified and no one can say we are not right. is it a coincidence this is happening at a time when all the different spheres are aligning to bring chaos to the world just as the blood moons are coming to Israel, we are in the end times alleluia ,christ is risen Risen Indeed,.
The Pope saying what he did only shows his lack of understanding of what Jesus actually taught and that his system of belief is lacking substance and root to the truth taught by Jesus. Jesus said the faith is about being hearers and doers of the truth he spoke from the Father and that he alone is to be the Teacher. The great commission is a call to faithful discipleship to the words he said are the very words of God.
Jesus didn’t teach about politics, but about the individual and the relationship they should have to God, fellow believers and even enemies. Most don’t recognize everything taught was from the Torah, Psalms and Prophets. As one said, “The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.” Those who believe, those who are hearers and doers of His word, those are the ones who understand the message of the hope of the kingdom of God spoken of by the prophets. How can doing what is good be criticized? Obviously it is, but if we criticize what is good, then what do they say to justify attacking good behavior? Does that actually make any sense? Not to me.
Isn’t it about time we let the words of Jesus define what Christianity really is? I’m sorry the Pope doesn’t understand, but he can if he does as Jesus said, which is to repent and go back and do what God said to do and not add to it or take away from it – but to be careful to hear what He actually said and then find opportunity to put those teachings into action in our own life.
Too bad! Someone will probably assassinate this guy. Can’t have someone actually teaching the Truth” eh? How on earth would the hypocritical offering collectors ever be able to sustain themselves?
Much of Christendom has it’s eyes focused on the evil of their neighbors instead of the Love of God. They focus on hell instead of Heaven.
I see a man walking the streets of the world. Consorting with sinners, lepers and God forbid even tax collectors. I see a man who when the men of His church bring to Him a woman taken in adultery, were told let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I see a man who overturned the bazaar booths (money changers) at his local church. I see a man who picked grain and fed His followers on, God forbid, the Sabbath. This radical was the son of God and they killed Him. How much more is this man hated? I see some article nearly every day proclaiming the evil of this man. I’d say he has noting to worry about. Because if history is any indication, he will soon be with our Creator.
Don_in_Odessa
He doesn’t speak for Christendom. He might speak for Catholicism, but not the Body Of Christ. Since one doesn’t have to believe in God to go to Heaven, then why did Jesus have to suffer such a horrible death? Then his death meant nothing? The Body of Christ has a Personal Relationship with Christ. It is not a religion. If he actually got saved, then they might try to kill him. Jesus is Coming..Keep Looking Up…James
I read Petrus Romanus and if this guy doesn’t match the description, then I’m a monkeys uncle. This is happening exactly the way St. Malachi said it would. Next thing is going to be Chrislam.
Of course he says these things since he is the False Prophet, and will set up the one world religion. You will see more and more secularism inserted into his teachings as he goes against the Catholic Church and all conservative Christianity.
I have a question;
If you as a catholic acknowledge that Pope Francis is the false prophet, Then who is the genuine successor of Apostle Peter ?
According to The Magesterium of the Catholic Church, There shall always be one who presides the Apostles succession!
Benedict XVI is the real pope. There has never been in Church history a “Pope Emeritus” because there is no such thing – that is a sign itself.
Petrus Romanus will be a real pope after Benedict XVI is martyred (Fatima 3rd secret) who will oppose Francis.
If I understand correctly,
Benedict who gave way to Francis is still the true pope who will be martyred.
Then shall come Petrus Romanus the true successor (Not the present Francis) who will oppose the present Francis who is the already risen false prophet.
Yes, you got it.
Seeing the ‘geriatric syndrome’ to which both these men ‘Francis and Benedict’ belong, then the end of the world is eminent!
He speaks as a dragon. It all sounds nicey-nicey on the superficial level. So non-judgmental, so tolerant (of sin that is; less tolerant of Bible-based faith of course); never preaching repentance to those who are dead in their sins and heading for Hell, yadda yadda.. I can almost hear the sibilant echo behind most of what’s been coming out of this man’s mouth.. ‘yea, hath God said?’
To louthesaint
Speaking as a Protestant, the true successors of the apostles are those who live as they lived, teach what they taught, and are guided and empowered by the same Holy Spirit.
TDRowland
Roman Catholics try to live consistently with what they claim to believe. Does that mean that Frankie leads a pack of mentally ill followers?
There is no denying the signs of the times! The return of the Lord Jesus is imminent! and I, for one, am really looking forward to his arrival.
On that day, I hope to leave this godforsaken planet (excuse the pun), and transfer to a whole other solar system, one where the people have brains that function properly.
That’s my idea of paradise, a land of absolute sanity.
what a dream…
Amen…Even So Come Lord Jesus
There is no god. There is no devil. There is no heaven or hell. The are no angels. There are no such thing as miracles. Like all living creatures we are merely evolutionary creatures that is no more extraordinary than single cells dwelling in pond scum. It’s only those who fear the dark that need a god and an afterlife to make their lives bearable. But the fact is, we all succumb to the dark and no one is going to leave a little night light on in the hall for us. Buck up and accept the fact that we all live only one life in the here and now. So enjoy yourselves it’s later than than you think!
Your belief was commonly called “The gospel of dirt” – nothing more than dirt, nothing to look forward to, no reason to improve or hope or love, we’re just a lump of dirt.
Jesus taught we are created of dirt, but in the image of God, and He came to show us how to be blessed by God and find what we were really created to become.
Since you don’t find fault with any teaching of Jesus as being bad, at least I’ll give you that much credit.
You, or anyone else, saying there is no God – it makes no difference, as millions upon millions know there is.
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