If you have ever spent any time studying Daniel’s seventy-weeks prophecy you might have been somewhat annoyed by the first seven weeks.
“Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”(Da 9:25)
Frankly, it seems to just be dangling there without a purpose. Most prophecy teachers simply add the two together to make sixty-nine weeks without saying much about why it is “seven and threescore and two (62).” Well, this bothered Newton too. He explained the odd seven weeks as referring to the second coming, after a future restoration of Israel which had not yet occurred! He explained the verse in this way:
Know also and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to cause to return and to build Jerusalem, unto the Anointed the Prince, shall be seven weeks.
The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel’s Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming. If divers of the antients, as Irenæus, Julius Africanus, Hippolytus the martyr, and Apollinaris Bishop of Laodicea, applied the half week to the times of Antichrist; why may not we, by the same liberty of interpretation, apply the seven weeks to the time when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ’s coming?[i]
He puts the first seven in the future after the second rebuilding of Jerusalem. Jerusalem was reclaimed by Israel during the Six 
Days War in June of 1967. Recall that in the seventy-weeks paradigm, the “seven” is seven weeks of years which is (7 x 7) forty-nine years. T. W. Tramm explains a remarkable concurrence:
June 7, 1967 falls in the Hebrew year 5727, adding forty-nine prophetic years to this date we arrive in the Hebrew year 5776, which is 2015 on the Gregorian calendar. Interestingly, if one counts exactly forty-nine (360 day) prophetic years (17,640 days) from the June 7, 1967 date of Jerusalem’s recapture, we arrive at September 23, 2015—the Day of Atonement! Coincidence?[ii]
We verified this remarkable match but we also noted that if one counts 49 x 365 days for solar years, one lands in 2016 which corresponds nicely with historical approach of AD 756 the acceding of temporal power to the pope plus 1260 derived from Revelation 11:3. Although no man knows the day or hour, it is hard to ignore the remarkable preponderance of prophecy pointing to the period we have entered.
View Newton’s notes and prophetic writings for yourself online here.
[i] Isaac Newton, Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John (London: 1733); viewable here: Newton Project, last accessed February 2, 2012, http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00204.
[ii] T. W. Tramm, 2012–2015: The Season of Return (self-published 2010), 265.
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Now that’s interesting. So the first 7 weeks could pertain to both the first and the second coming… thanks for sharing!
In the light of Apostolic teaching; I would say that it only applies to the first coming unto the 70Ad desolation of that Temple and of that generation… For surely it cannot be both as that would be contradictory!
My research on the revived state of Israel is that it is a Luciferian Zionist Illuminati crafted work of deceit..The “Mark” of freemasonry are all over it.. Some would say that God uses evil for the achievement of his purposes as He did Pharaoh.. However; We live in the historical fact of the Atonement! God has his people of the new covenant washed in the Blood of Messiah in the fullness of Time.. As I have mentioned before many Christians have fallen for the Lie of the enemy and are being drawn by his “Mythical teachings” 1Tim1:4 & 1Tim1:14
The prophecy of the Seventy Weeks is an account given beforehand, of the second period of the National existence of the Jewish people… they were to last as a nation ‘only long enough to fulfill the scriptures, and to accomplish the purpose of God in bringing forth the Messiah, and putting him to death’
The Time allotted for this was 490 years! 70 multiplied by 7 years = 490 years…….
This being accomplished, God has no further use for Israel…. hence 70AD The destruction by “the prince that shall come” Dan9:26 ‘Titus son of Emperor Vespasian’
God’s dealing thence-forth were to be with another People,, That “Holy nation” 1Pet2:9 composed of all who believe the Gospel, and who receive The One who was rejected by His own Jn1:11-13
john b
john B, your view disagrees with the prophecy itself, the apostolic teaching and Jesus’ teaching. 1) it does not satisfy Daniels’ prophecy because sin has not ended nor everlasting righteousness begun (Dan 9:24) 2) the 70 weeks mentions “on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate”(Da 9:27) and the “decreed END” which Jesus places just before his second coming (Mt 24:15) and 3) your idea on Israel stands in stark opposition to the teaching of Paul (Ro 11:25) and Jesus (Lk 21:24).
Each Number of weeks has a corresponding fulfillment.
62 + 7 = 69 (483 years) Rebuilding of Walls in Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8, 4:1) to Christ
62 = (434 years) Suleiman the Magnificent ordered Jerusalem Walls rebuilt in 1535
1535 + 434 = 1969
7 = (49 years) Israeli Knesset orders the Old City Rebuilt April 1, 1969 Construction begins June 6
1969 + 49 = 2018
1 = (7 years) Christ confirmed the Covenant with Many for half of this Week and caused the need for ritual sacrifice to cease, The unfulfilled remainder of the week is referenced in Daniel 12 and in Revelation as: 1260 days, 42 Months, a Time , TImes and Half a Time
Forgive me! I cannot get my mind around the significance of the 2015 and 2016 date markers. What are you saying? These dates are significant of what? How do they fit with the remainder of prophecy to be fulfilled?
okay…….. nevermind! =) I dug a little deeper into your web site and figured out that you are referring to the possible end of the papal system in 2012, plus 3 1/2 years – based on the papal system having begun in 752. And all of this ties in to the Malachy prophecy of the last pope and the beginning of the Tribulation. I think I got it….
Terri,
TW Tramm has a lot of interesting data on that period of time.
See http://www.theseasonofreturn.com/
Cris Dan9:24 is about the work of Atonement wherein Christ took sin upon Himself in order that the righteousness of God is available to all who believe.. It is not correct to remove the 70th week from it’s context of 490 years and place it 2000 years into the future unless one’s theology call for it… which is the case here
*** This is not a forum to simply cut and paste your view rather for discussion ***
john b
john B, You are ignoring the context of Romans 11. The context is national Israel, the chapter begins with “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.” (Ro 11:1) Your prior comment was the exact opposite of what Paul wrote. I don’t know how you can say “partial hardening has since been lifted” because Jesus links it to his return (Lk 21:24–25)and it is also predicted in Zechariah 12:10 onward. The events in Zechariah have not occurred.
Again the rationale for the 70th week being future is from the text itself and Jesus places the abomination of desolation at his second coming. It’s simply what the text implies. (Mat 24:15 cf. Dan 9:27).
Romans 11:25 (Emphasis and Additions Mine) (KJV)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery [previously unknown thing], lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN.
Joseph Thayer: English Greek Lexicon: *the full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in
Romans 11:27-29 (KJV)
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
29 (AMP) For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. [He never withdraws them when once they are given]
Romans 11:12 (AMP)
Now if their stumbling (their lapse, their transgression) has so enriched the world [at large], and if [Israel’s] failure means such riches for the Gentiles, think what an enrichment and greater advantage will follow their full reinstatement!
15 For if their rejection and exclusion from the benefits of salvation were [overruled] for the reconciliation of a world to God, what will their acceptance and admission mean? [It will be nothing short of] life from the dead!
[b]THE RESURRECTION[/b]
The fullness of the Goyim is the manifestation of the man of sin (a.k.a Antichrist) whom shall awake the people of Israel in the Jacob Sorrows timeframe. There had been a lot of characters through history afflicting the Jews and the Diaspora, But this last one personage will be the most rouge to try to anihilate the israelites. That why is narrow down the term to ‘the fullnes of the Gentiles.’
The Scriptures are the infallible Word of God and for the counts to be correct they must start from the “Going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem”
My above post does not invalidate your counts but confirms them.
Grace and Peace
I see the 70 sevens as Jubilees as well as years. From the time that the Israel entered the land of Canaan until they rejected God as their king for an earthly one Saul was the first 7 sevens or 350 years – From Sault o 1966 or 67 there was a Jubilee which was numer 62 from rejecting God as king which was 69 Jubilees from entering the land – We are now in the last Jubilee #70 which will be completed in 2015 – years are all biblical years
Wn
Cris:What I have cut and pasted is a portion of my own article in relation to the discussion of 70 weeks.. it is easier and quicker for me to do that than to type it a fresh.. I suppose it was too much for you.. so you deleted it!… May be you need to correct some of your views instead of trying to amalgamate various theological threads.. There is one truth and one truth only about the 70 weeks and you deleted it.. shame on you! some one else might have wanted to discuss it..
john b
Philip Brewer said: 62 + 7 = 69 (483 years) Rebuilding of Walls in Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8, 4:1) to Christ..with this i agree
(His revealing to Israel and His anointing in 69 week)..
Where then is the 70Th week?… Answer Dan7:26 The last week wherein Messiah was cut off! bringing in everlasting righteousness Dan9:24
john B
Sorry; not Dan7:26 but Dan9:26 The Last week wherein Messiah was cut off………………
Again I say; the prophecy contains it’s own Chronology… The confusion which have arisen concerning the prophecy of the 70Th weeks are due to the attempt to make it conform to a particular theology (Futurism)..
The thrust of the prophecy is as given by Philip Brewer’s comment.. beginning from the return of the Israelites from the Babylonian captivity (this is an Historical event in the nations History second only to the Exodus from Egypt Right down to the final event of all prophecy unto Messiah being cut off in the 70th week..
john B
john b,
I have often wondered myself if the 70th week did not in fact commence, at least to the midway point. The text seems intentionally complex. Perhaps there was something of a foreshadowing to the 7-year period to come. There is mention of a confirming of a covenant. There is mention of a ceasing of sacrifices. In a cryptic sense these could refer to either or both the Christ and the Antichrist. I have heard interpretations of both.
There is no denying that Jesus referred to the Abomination of Desolation event as future to his speaking about it. It looks to me that at the time of the events surrounding the crucifixion that this was certainly a stopping of God’s stopwatch; to wait for a future time. Obviously the clock did not continue to tick as Jesus indicated that the time immediately following the Abomination would introduce a time of tribulation the world has never seen or ever would see again. This obviously did not happen in Jesus’ day or anytime since. We would know about it. But there is little doubt that it is staring us in the face today.
Mark
Just a thought regarding 2012 versus 2016. The Gregorian calendar is supposedly named after Pope Gregory XIII. I remember from some past show that Richard Hoagland was on, possibly C2C or something, that he made the observation that the Roman Catholic Church made some effort to tweak the Gregorian calendar to more closely sync with the Mayan calendar…at least this may have been his belief or observation. I’m not sure exactly what he claimed. But here are a few observations.
Could it be that this calendar – double-named instead for the Grigori (fallen watchers) is the calendar of the watchers, the fallen ones? The claim is that the Gregorian calendar anchors from the traditional date of the nativity of the Lord Jesus. Yet it is off approximately 4 years. It anchors rather from the date in agreement with the Mayan calendar…precisely! And yet is is off by some 4 years with respect to the actual birth of the Lord. How can this be?
The time between the year 2012 and 2016 (apparently 4 yrs) can be bridged by 3 1/2 years as well. With the date of December 21, 2012 winter solstice, to the summer solstice of 2016. The current AD calendar matches exactly to the AL (Anno Lucis) calendar. 4000 years exactly separates the two; 2012 AD = 6012 AL. If the correction was made to anchor the Year of our Lord, 2016 AD would equal 6016 AL.
It appears that this calendar which we follow may have been set intentionally ahead 3 1/2 years to compensate for the time needed to rebuild the temple. After all, the beast can’t show up to a temple that hasn’t been built and be expected to wait around, right? St. Malachi, the Kabbalah, Mayans, mystics of centuries past, however they attained this knowledge of a coming “messiah” have known the dates.
Just sayin’. Mark
that isaac newton used the bible to predict the future return from exile and restoration of jerusalem to the jews is beyond rational dispute. since his interpretation is clearly demonstrating predictive power then it is the interpretation that should be considered most likely. personally for me, the weeks prophecy was something i had never come to a solid conclusion as to how to interpret; so this is a happy no-brainer for me: i’ll go with the theory that is successfully predicting reality (centuries beforehand)
so that means that the second coming is at least academically likely to occur at 2015-16. the fact that there is now an end timeframe that is academically reasonable is fairly significant in and of itself.
according to the bible the first coming culminated in the fulfillment of the spring festivals of lev 23; then that means the second coming will culminate in the fulfillment of the fall festivals which means “the last day” will occur either on oct 5, 2015 or oct 24, 2016.
so the fall festivals will run a course either sept 14 – oct 5, 2015 or oct 3 – oct 24, 2016 with the return occuring on yom kippur aka judgment day.
and counting 49 cycles of 360 from june 7, 1967 does end right on yom kippur, sept 23, 2015.
as far as i am concerned this is now beyond rational dispute.
okay now the reason i am commenting here is because this just happens to be something i was considering about the mayan 2012 date. in the bible the king of babylon is a prophetic picture of the antichrist. now, the king of babylon launched his attack on jerusalem on tevet 10 when he and “all his host” encompassed jerusalem round about with armies (this is what Christ was talking about)
2Ki 25:1; Jer 52:4; Eze 24:1-2
as i interpret scripture this is what i expect to happen: a bunch of angels are going to show up pretending to be something they aren’t; and the leader will be our “son of perdition”; these angels are going to deceive the world into worshipping him; and the christian church is going to fall for it and only a small remnant will remain faithful to the true Christ. so the king of babylon and all his host coming to attack jerusalem and carry them away captive is a prophetic picture of the coming of this “lawless one” and all his host to carry the christians away “captive”; and this begins on tevet 10 in the bible; three times this date is testified; why is God writing these dates down in the bible? because he’s predicting the future!
okay, so this year tevet 10 falls on dec 23 (dec 21 and 23 vie for “correct end count date”)
so right now the entire world is in expectation of the day that marks the end of the mayan long count
but it is equally true that:
right now the world is in expectation of the day that marks the day of the worst calamity to ever befall israel; a day so terrible it is forever marked by a fast, and was chosen as the day to represent the holocaust. the day that the king of confusion came with all his host to launch his attack against the chosen city.
so i have been wondering about that possibility that tevet 10 would be fulfilled in 2012 because of the mayan calendar-tevet 10 correlation. and now add to that that newton is laying out an end date possiblity at 2015; that makes it all the more likely.
Chris, There’s an old saying that goes along the lines of “if you are receiving fire, then you must be over the target”. My Father told me in the late 50’s and early 60’s that I would probably live long enough to see the armies of the world gather to try and take Jerusalem away from the Jewish people. I remember walking into our home in June 67 and seeing the famous photo of the Jewish military at the wailing wall. How could he have known that the armies would one day gather to try and take Jerusalem away from the Jewish people unless it came into their possession again. He told me this information several years in advance. He wasn’t that smart, but he knew his bible. Jerusalem the “Cup of Trembling, the Burdensome Stone”. The world is getting “Drunk” over the idea, just as the scripture describes, over trying to take it away. God is not through with the Jew, but he appears to be soon through with the “Body of Christ” . Their blindness in part is about to be restored. Keep Looking Up, Jimmy
I think that you guy;s are missing the point as to who Israel is When Apostle said “all Israel will be save as it is written” Rom11:26 he was referring the thing written to be the words of the Prophet Isiah59:20,21 & Isiah27:9.
your theology has told you that “all Israel” is those who dwell in the geographical location of the Land.. I ask the Question; what of the surpassing numbers of Jews who reside in the USA, BRITAIN, EUROPE, AUSTRALIA ? No my friends; The “all Israel” of which Apostle speaks is The New nation of 1Pet2:9 made up of Jews and Gentiles that symbolic Olive tree which Apostle uses in the context of his exposition..
Furthermore; Christ Himself addressing the Elders and chief priests Told them that “the Kingdom would be taken from Them and Given to another Nation bearing the fruit of It Mat21:43.. How many nations does God have? Only One “The true seed of the Woman” all who are in Christ and all who will be prior to His Glorious return.
john B
john B
john B
I agree that spiritual “Israel”” is now both Jew and Gentile. That is non controversial. However it another matter altogether to assert what you have been saying. We are grafted in to them- they are the natural branches. It seems to me you are being wise in your own sight and ignoring Paul’s teaching completely.
“Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.”(Ro 11:25)
A partial hardening on the church? No! Can Israel include Gentiles in this verse no because Paul is contrasting Israel and Gentiles. Could the hardening have ended as you assert? No, because the fullness of the Gentiles has obviously not come in, people are still be added to the church. Your interpretation mangles the text and ignores its meaning.
john B the “they” in this next passage is also necessarily the Jews:
“As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.“(Ro 11:28–29)
It can’t be the church because they are “enemies of the Gospel.” Yet according to Paul the Jews are beloved in spite of their actions and God’s election is irrevocable. It could not be stated any clearer. I don’t understand how you miss it. It seems you pick and choose what is convenient to your own presuppositions. What part of irrevocable is not clear to you?
It is no another matter Cris; God has had One people through the process of Time.. under the OT it was the natural descendant of Abraham… in the fullness of time He still has one people those in Christ those of the faith of Abraham there is a line of demarcation between the Two and that is the shed Blood of Messiah!
But what does scripture say? “Cast out the bond woman and her son,for the son of the bond woman shall (((NOT))) be an heir with the son of the free woman” Gal4:30…. So; Apostle Paul the Israelite in the flesh says in the very next verse “so then brethren, we are not children of the bond woman But of the free woman” Gal4:31
The bond woman are the natural descendants of Abraham (all the Jewish people all over the world today) and they are to inherit nothing lest they become of the Faith of Abraham, which is the Christian faith according to the everlasting Gospel of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ…
your view insists that the natural descendants are heirs Now; That opposes the Apostle’s word!
john B
Cris; “The irrevocable calling of God” can be rightly understood By Apostles word Rom11:32
To be sure it goes beyond One race unto All races….
what I share is the wisdom of God.. Rom11:33 the whole council of God’s word and not fragments of it theologically interpreted..
john B
john_b consider this:
israel is still israel. it has always been israel and will always be israel. it is a green olive tree (rom 11:16-24; jer 11:16)
this tree like all trees has a root, a trunk and many branches. before the first coming, this tree existed; after the first coming, this tree still existed; what happened was that many of its branches were pruned off and replaced by different branches- but some branches were not broken off at all, right? the apostles themselves were branches bringing forth fruit and so were not broken off, but purged to produce more fruit.
now the point is this: the olive tree; israel; is still the olive tree; and all believers are the branches whether jew or gentile; so any jew which is a christian is in fact a branch of israel that is not broken off; and so when God speaks to israel He is speaking to this olive tree; in the NT He is speaking to the same olive tree and in the OT; He is not now speaking or dealing with a different olive tree at all- it is the exact same olive tree; only some of its branches were replaced by other branches: the olive tree itself was not replaced.
so any jewish christians are in fact good branches of israel and are in fact right now in possession of the land promised to abraham. the only problem is that the branches that were broken off are there with them.
so consider that Christ is like a man standing on a hill calling out to an olive tree in the distance. this olive tree has both good and bad branches on it and is called israel. at the first coming He approached and pruned the bad branches off and grafted good branches in their place; then went back to the hill and turned again to call out to the olive tree- you see it is the same tree as it was before, save some (not all by any means) branches are now different. so you and i are of the same tree that david and elijah were branches of; and it is belief in the testimony of God that is our attachment to the tree of israel.
so in the middle east since 1948 israel is now in possession of the land promised to abraham because there are christian jews among the non-christian jews. these are pictured by the two baskets of figs at jer 24:1-3 and i presume you recognize that the children of the flesh (unbeleiving jews) are symbolized by the old covenant firstborn sons e.g. cain, ishmael, esau; so when we look at the middle east nation men call israel we are seeing two groups of people- israel (christian jews) and edom (non-christian jews)
now, the non-christian jews are responsible for the return into the land and they have done this for their own nefarious purposes; but what they do not yet comprehend is that they are simply performing the will of God, though their intentions are not His (and will come to nothing); in fact, i am convinced that the nation that men call israel is in fact the beast that is revived after suffering the mortal wound; not only are the pictures of the two beasts and the great whore exactly matching the OT pictures of the house of israel, the house of judah and jerusalem; but what other nation has received a “deadly wound” and miraculously- unexpectantly- revived from the dead, as it were? indeed, even in a great number of christian prophet circles you will basically hear “who is like israel; who can make war with him?” right? because they say God fights for them, right? even now they are beginning to “wonder after” it, because of the nature of its miraculous revival.
i believe we will see man-made israel “saved” from islam in the near future by satan himself
Hi cobb; good to see someone else chime in… I agree with what you say (now, the non-christian Jews are responsible for the return into the land and they have done this for their own nefarious purposes)
I am not sure about the nation itself being the beast, That is a new one to me.. One thing I do, is Listen.. so I hear what you are saying.. and although Cris an I disagree on Israel.. I do agree with him about the False Prophet being the Last pope except I am of the view that the false prophet is (The son of perdition) the Antichrist..
The thing I do Know is that the Zionist Illuminati contains beastly elements.. when you see the men who forged the related documentations for the establishment of the State of Israel they were all High level masons.. even Churchill & Balfour before him.. and my source confirms the strong infiltration of masonic principality within the Vatican.. for sure “time is short” and as His people we will be not in the dark as things unfold..
john B
John B….I posted earlier, and I thought it went through, but apparently not? You have my curiosity up. If I might ask you a question? Since you appear to be fond of the Apostle Paul, and I am glad to see it, because many who claim the name of Christ sometimes forget him. In I Corinthians 10:32, how many people groups are being addressed by the Apostle Paul? Thanks, J Staten
john b it seems striking to me that in the revelation we see a seven-headed sea-beast with ten horns and a two-horned earth-beast, and a harlot woman sitting whose end is to be burned by fire; and in the old testament we see israel with 12 princes conquering the dominion of 7 kings (Deut 7:1 Acts 13:19); israel then splits into a northern dominion of 10 princes and a southern sanctuary of 2 princes (Psalm 114:2); ezekiel 16 is an exact prophetic match for the harlot and that is clearly directed against jerusalem;
now, a mountain is a symbol of a kingdom and horns are princes so if i was expecting a prophetic picture of israel; i would expect to see exactly what the revelation pictures: a 10-horned dominion over 7 subdued heads alongside a 2-horned sanctuary; with a woman-city seated amidst it all. it’s an exact match.
the beast is mortally wounded and then miraculously revived. if i ask “could 70ad be viewed as a mortal wound, and could the miracle revival of 1948ad be viewed as, well, a miracle revival?” does this not offer another seeingly odd match? after the revelation 13 miracle revival people start asking “who is like the beast? who can make war with him?” think about it. right now there are myriad prophets saying that no one can defeat israel in a war because it is “God’s chosen”; they are saying “who is like unto him; who can war with him?” isn’t it at least a curious kind of parallel?
but the christian jews are there among them, true? like, two in the womb almost; jacob and esau. but since there are christian jews then we must acknowledge that since 67, israel really has factually come into possession of the city of jerusalem, and it looks to me obvious that newton is right; at least, it is an actual academic theory in that his predictions are now confirmed and for the first time in history there is an end-date that actually has reasonable grounds for notice.
about the masons et al i would be surprised if all of them don’t find root in the catholic church. from the information the bible is telling me to expect a catholic apocalypse involving the pope and the catholic jesus (who is in fact the pagan personification of truth; satan) saving the nation men call israel from the hordes of islam; that is to say i believe that satan and his angels will fall “like lightning” to come with “all power and signs” to convert the world to catholocism. everyone in the world will convert except the elect who will expose the lie in a war of truth.
now this will be so convincing that the only possible way to be able to overcome is first knowing when the second coming must occur- the 10th day of the 7th month. this false jesus will come with all his host (i’m sure “mary” and “peter” will be with him along with myraid saints/angels and “raised loved ones”) beginning on the 10th day of the 10th month (which just happens to be on Dec 23 this year- coincidence?)
but when the false capstone/jesus is put at the top of the tower (i.e. the head of gold/king of confusion/babel/babylon), and all of the christians and jews and muslims and peoples, and nations and languages are worshipping him through the catholic doctrine and hierarchy; then we can say, “okay, rev 13 is now fulfilled; the sanctuary and the dominion are defiled; the woman is drunk with fornication; etc.”
so but now with newton predicting reality, and firing a prophetic arrow from june 7,67 straight into yom kippur 2015/16 then that puts a time constraint on tevet 10, which now just made the odds of a mayan-2012-apocalypse go through the roof. there are two parousias in the prophecy- the parousia of Christ and the parousia of the son of perdition. the latter is a counterfeit of the former, and as far as i am academically concerned the parousia of the son of perdition should occur on dec 23, 2012 and the parousia of the Christ on sept 23, 2015.
interesting. well, if this turns out accurate it all makes me wonder what was so special about newton that God gave all this understanding to? i mean, serisouly; laws of motion, gravity; invents orbital calculus, solves the weeks prophecy. seems like favoritism to me. jk
James, I would answer, three Groups why do you ask, Have I offended you?
The reason that I use the Title Apostle in ref to Paul, Peter ect is that I wish to give those who read my posts or Articles a sense for the Apostolic Authority and their foundation.. in other words; Listen! this is Apostolic in context!
john B
John B…..You have not offended me, and I hope I don’t offend you. I love the Apostle Paul, and as the scriptures teach we are to proclaim his Gospel. Most people don’t realize that Paul makes it clear that it is his Gospel. The Risen Lord Jesus as the scriptures teach took him aside and revealed several “Mysteries”. What is a mystery? It is a secret in the mind of God until he reveals it, and he chose Paul to reveal several of these. Since we are on the same page about Paul, then you would have to agree that there is an event that the Lord revealed to him, which the “Church of God”, “The Body of Christ” or “The Bride of Christ” is waiting for with anticipation. Or at least should be, and this event is the “Catching Away of the Believers”. Since this discussion is pertaining to Daniel and the 490 curse that the Lord placed on the nation of Israel, after the catching away, how many people groups are left? Thanks, J Staten
james staten the blessed hope is the parousia of the Lord; the appearing of the Christ; the second advent; the coming of the Lord with all His saints.
the catching up of the saints occurs at the parousia of the Lord; this is clearly stated by the apostle at 1Thess 4:15-17 where he states “we who are alive and remaining unto the parousia of the Lord”; so if Newton’s timeline plays out then the catching away will occur on sept 23, 2015 at the second coming. At 2Thess 2:8 the apostle specifically teaches that it is in fact the bright parousia event which destroys the wicked one. just looking at the parousia passages there is no mistaking the timing whatsoever; the rapture occurs at the parousia, and not 7 years, 3.5 years 5 months etc. prior to it.
in fact the opposite is true: the antichrist is specifically being sent by Christ Himself to attack the church itself; this is made abundantly clear by the king of babylon prophetic picture; the king of babylon is the sword of the Lord’s judgement and it begins at the sanctuary- which is the church. anyone somehow believing they will disappear from the earth prior to the judgment is sorely mistaken; in fact, all of the prophets saying that the church will not see the famine, or the captivity, or the sword; the Lord says that by the famine, and the captivity, and the sword will these prophets be consumed.
Cobb..I don’t believe in the Yo-Yo Theory, where the Church goes up to meet Christ in the air, just to return back to the earth. The Church wasn’t in the first 483 years, why is she going to be in Daniel’s 70th Week. Daniel’s 70th Week is clarified in Daniel 9:24-27. The indignation is determined against the Jewish people and the city of Jerusalem. I am giving you a short version. The catching away, then the Gentile nations come against the Jewish people, that their name be no more in remembrance. Hitler tried and failed, the Anti-Christ still believes if he exterminates the Jewish people, the Lord’s plans will be destroyed. You and John B are accurate on one point, the Jewish people have come back as Masons, Satanist, Illuminates, Atheist and Agnostics etc. The scriptures make it clear the Lord would disperse the Jewish people twice, and upon their coming back into the land. They would return in Unbelief, how much more unbelief than these religions or philosophies. They will not be dispersed a third time totally out of the Land. I have a question for you, do you know what the Mount of Olives is basically used for today? J. Saten
Hi cobb & James;
I believe that the catching away (rapture) takes place at the parousia which is “The Day of the Lord” about which Apostle peter said that it would “come like a thief the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat and the earth and its works will be burned up” 2Pet3:10,, with this Apostle Paul also agrees 2Thes1:6-12 and also Jesus himself foretells of that Day Lk17:29,30 and also John Baptist Mat3:12, Jude14,15, Mal:4:1
Only those in Christ are not to receive the condemnation of this world Rom8:1
That is why we are taken out into the safety, Just as Noah was taken into the safety of the Ark.
I also believe that on that Day which is the “Last day” Jn6:39 Time as we Know it will cease and eternity will become our reality in “the New heaven and the new earth” 2Pet3:13 for indeed This is what Apostle tells us to be looking for in blamelessness 2Pet3:14 Let us not forget that that day shall come as a Thief That is unexpected and Quickly. Rev22:12
http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/politics/2012/04/18/MidEast-2-states-only-solution-Israel-commit-Jordan-King_6737728.html the Apostle Paul tells us “when they say Peace and Safety sudden destruction comes upon them” He makes it quite clear we are children of the day, and not of the night. It comes upon them and not Us. That covenant can’t be made until the Body of Christ is taken out of the way. Joel speaks of when the time comes and the Lord judges the nations (Gentiles) for scattering his people and for parting his Land. Daniel was a Jew writing about an end-time landscape, that is why the key to end-time prophecy is Israel. Daniel 9:24-27 sums it up. Throughout OT scripture it is called the “Time of Jacob’s Troubles”, “The Indignation”, “Daniel’s 70th Week” etc. The NT gives our understanding on it “the Tribulation or Great Tribulation”. There is an old saying “Everything in the Bible is for us, but not everything in the Bible is to us”. Fellas, the Ekklesia, the called out ones are not in the Tribulation.Praise the Lord. The Body of Christ wasn’t revealed until the mystery was revealed to Paul. That he would call out Jews and mostly Gentiles for his Body. Jesus was a Jew, sent to the Jews, and He said “Salvation is of the Jew”. It is a Jewish Book. The scripture states that the “oracles where given to the Jews”. There are scholars who claim that Dr. Luke was a Greek Jew, that would make the entire bible Jewish. I am in no way saying that the Body of Christ is an after thought. When they rejected their Messiah, and the scripture teaches “that they where blinded for our sake” (Gentiles), the Lord has set them aside until the fullness of the gentiles be come in. That’s why I ask about I Corinthian 10:32, after the catching away there are two groups left. The Jews in Jerusalem, and an Unbelieving world (Gentiles) that say let’s destroy them. God made a promise to them about that Land, and he will keep his promise. Just as he made a promise to us when we came to the Cross. He will keep both promises. God’s wrath is poured out during the tribulation on a Christ rejecting unbelieving world. The Jews still have the seven years of judgment for not allowing the ground to remain fallow and for reject their King. We are his Body, they will get their King when we return with him at the end of the Tribulation and he sets up his Throne in Jerusalem for a 1,000 year reign. The Mount of Olives today is a Jewish cemetery. They are looking for their Messiah, and as they have been buried for the last couple of thousand years many have been buried there. Why because Zechariah states that when the Messiah comes his foot will come down on the Mount of Olives, and they wanted to be buried where the Messiah places his foot. Of course we know from the NT this truth..Keep Looking Up, It’s getting late J.Staten
james staten a yo-yo first goes down and then comes back up- this describes the pre-parousia rapture if either of the two; in which Christ comes down then goes back up. but, loaded epithets aside, what i am saying is by the word of the Lord, i know this because the apostle clearly states such: the cathing away occurs at the parousia. there is no way you can make it somehow occur X time prior to the parousia since the apostle clearly is telling me it occurs at the parousia and not before it. i know that the parousia is the second coming not only by paul clearly telling me that the “bright parousia of the Lord” is what destroys the son of perdidtion; but by every other mention of the parousia in the scripture.
the rapture occrs at the parousia and not one moment before it, and any doctrine trying to teach otherwise is clearly untrue. there is no possible way- academic or otherwise- that this teaching is reasonably derived from the bible- it is factually wrong in every way shape and form and it is, in fact, the ANTI-gospel which gives power to the ANTI-christ (that is to say, the nation that men call israel is in fact the kingdom of antichrist (though note the christian jews among them are of the kingdom of Christ- and they are among them just as at the first coming) and pre-parousia rapture theory always gives power to the unbelieving jews (whom the apostle calls “many antichrists”) by claiming they are still chosen by God and to inherit the promise of abarham when the apostle himself says “cast out the bondwoman and her son” the son would NOT be heir of the promise to abraham; but the gospel you are advocating says the opposite of the scripture; i am telling you the truth it is the antigospel of the antichrist that paul warned of; there is a reason Christ called them serpents!
>The Church wasn’t in the first 483 years, why is she going to be in Daniel’s 70th Week. Daniel’s 70th Week is clarified in Daniel 9:24-27.<
according to Newton your interpretation of the weeks prophecy is erroneous. i have to agree with Newton because, as the article shows, his interpretation is demonstrating enormous predictive power- your isn't. so, that is an easy one for me; have to go with the theory predicting reality as being the correct one.
at the end of your post you had some sayings, but these things were all extra-biblical statements; i can only be concerned with biblical information.
since Newton is successfully predicting the future, then i have to consider his interpretation accurate: this means i must academically consider your inaccurate.
likewise the apostle paul clearly states that the rapture occurs at the parousia of the Lord: this also means i must academically consider "rapture before the parousia" doctrine false.
both conclusions actually the kind i like: incredibly simple to come to.
james staten >then the Gentile nations come against the Jewish people, that their name be no more in remembrance. Hitler tried and failed, the Anti-Christ still believes if he exterminates the Jewish people, the Lord’s plans will be destroyed. <
but by your doctrine the war against the nation men call israel will fail, true? because he is chosen of the Lord, right? and who is like him? who can make war with him, right?
In reply to:
I suggest you read Zechariah chapter 14. It is spelled out in prophecy.
Cris, Thanks, I was wondering when a true scholar was going to chime in!!!!
Here is the 70th Week:
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Eclipses 2008-2020
Genesis 1:14 (KJV) Emphasis Mine
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for *SIGNS*, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
chris putnam i presume you will realize that prophecy must first be interpreted so “zech 14 spells it out” is really saying “my interpretation of zech 14 spells out my understanding of zech 14” which is just a tautology which doesn’t really communicate any information. that means i have to presume your interpretation; and I’m going to presume you interpret a prophetic picture of the earthly city of jerusalem as the earthly city of jerusalem; this then is not my interpretation as i interpret a prophetic picture of the earthly city of jerusalem as the heavenly city of jerusalem; i do this because the scripture is clearly analoguing heavenly things with earthly things; and through the earthly patterns we understand the heavenly patterns.
so when you see something like, the earthly moses coming to earthly free the earthly israel from earthly bondage in earthly egypt to lead them to an earthly promised land; what you are seeing is a prophetic picture of the heavenly moses (Christ) coming to heavenly free the heavenly israel (believers) from heavenly bondage (sin); because God is using the earthly things as pictures to tell us about the heavenly things.
likewise when we see the earthly king of confusion coming to earthly attack the earthly jerusalem and earthly carry away the earthly citizens earthly captive into earthly confusion; what we are seeing is a prophetic picture of the heavenly king of confusion (satan) coming to heavenly attack (lie to) heavenly jerusalem (church) and heavenly carry away (cause to believe) the heavenly citizens (christians) heavenly captive (deceived) into heavenly confusion (GREAT BABYLON/CONFUSION);
i say “confusion” because the word “babylon” is an english substitute and in the hebrew it is “babel” (as in the city and tower of Nimrod) so when you see “king of babylon” in the prophets it is literally “king of babel i.e. king of confusion”
the confusion begins with well-meaning teachers misinterpreting the prophecies in an earthly sense instead of in the heavenly sense, and then regarding earthly ‘fulfillments’ to be genuine fulfillment of prophecy- but what is really going on is that their misunderstanding of prophecy is being fueled by unseen hands, to cause them to be deceived; this is the strong delusion the apostle warned of, and this delusion comes through misinterpreting the heavenly things as earthly things.
when satan and all his host comes to ‘save’ earthly israel from its earthly enemies (all man-made deceptions) most christians are going to regard it as fulfillment of biblical prophecy because they cannot distinguish between the earthly and the heaevnly; this will cause the great apostacy the apostle warned of in which all the christians forsake Christ in their delusion, believing the king of confusion to be the King of Peace: this is THE MEGA-CONFUSION of Rev and they will think the apocalypse is ended when in fact it has just begun!
but God has given us the true dates in the scripture so we will have our weapons to fight against him when he comes on Tevet 10 because contrary to his blasphemy about being Christ Jesus returned; we can prove from scripture Christ must return on yom kippur and this king of confusion will come out of season as a wandering star: Tevet 10: day of doom for all that do not know the sure word of prophecy.
philip brwer your chart very likely to be errorneous. i say this because, as the article shows, newton is the one who is the one predicting the future so he must be regarded as academically correct here; all the tetrads do is make the possible 2015 end date all the more likely over the 2016 possible date. If we count by 365-day years, newton’s count will end june 7, 2016 and will leave a little space in between until yom kippur arrives. if we count by 360-day years, then newton’s count lands spot-on yom kippur of 2015 in the middle of the 3rd and final grouping of tetrads; the 2nd grouping occuring in 67. so:
tetrad 1: 1949-50 jerusalem recognized
tetrad 2: 1967-68 jerusalem returned (7 sevens until second coming)
tetrad 3: 2014-15 parousia of the Lord
does it help to know that back in 2008 the exact same chart ran from 2008-2015? but since the “rapture 7 years prior to the parousia” didn’t happen as they were all expecting; they had to change the timeline. because you know “no rapture- NO TRIBULATION!” right? see that’s the thing about “rapture 7 years before the parousia”- the ones that actually believe it are always 7 years behind the truth.
the real question is: why would anyone take what some off-kilter “chart” is showing, over the guy who is clearly using the scripture to predict reality? is everyone really that deeply entrenched in their traditional expectations that they are chosen over something so utterly profound?
Cobb,
If you will look at my first post on this comments thread. For the count to be accurate it must start from “The going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem” in Daniel 9:25.
Each Number of weeks has a corresponding fulfillment.
62 + 7 = 69 (483 years) Rebuilding of Walls in Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8, 4:1) to Christ
62 = (434 years) Suleiman the Magnificent ordered Jerusalem Walls rebuilt in 1535
1535 + 434 = 1969
7 = (49 years) Israeli Knesset orders the Old City Rebuilt April 1, 1969 Construction begins June 6
1969 + 49 = 2018
1 = (7 years) Christ confirmed the Covenant with Many for half of this Week and caused the need for ritual sacrifice to cease, The unfulfilled remainder of the week is referenced in Daniel 12 and in Revelation as: 1260 days, 42 Months, a Time , TImes and Half a Time
The above timeline lines up perfectly with the Eclipse chart I linked to.
The Lord will Confirm his Covenant with his “Elect” for 3.5 years during the Time of Jacobs Trouble. (The remainder of the Week)
Cobb,
You are correct in showing that the Tetrads do indeed mark events regarding ISRAEL. The Tetrad you are referring to in 2014 – 2015 (in the Midst of the Week) will indeed be an event regarding ISRAEL.
Ezekiel prophecied to the exact season the restoration of National Israel (that coincides with the Tetrad).
Ezekiel 4
4Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.
5For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
7Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.
Each day for a year 390+40 = 430 years
They were in Babylonian captivity at the time. 70 years in captivity in Babylon.
430-70 = 360 years
Leviticus 26
13I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.
14But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
18And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you SEVEN TIMES more for your sins.
21And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring SEVEN TIMES more plagues upon you according to your sins.
23And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet SEVEN TIMES for your sins.
27And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you SEVEN TIMES for your sins.
360 x 7 = 2520 years
Captivity began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
2520 Biblical Years (360 day) converted to Calendar years = 2483.8 years
Spring of 536 B.C. to birth of Modern Israel on May 14, 1948 = 2483.8 years (This is the shooting forth of the leaves of the Fig Tree: Matt. 24, Luke 21, Mark 13)(Coincides with your referenced Tetrad)
1948 + 70 years (1 Generation) = End of 2018
From the birth of Christ to the Destruction of Jerusalem and Temple (70 years)
From the birth of Modern Israel to the New Jerusalem (70 years)
Cobb, You state that “the confusion begins with well-meaning teachers misinterpreting the prophecies”. Can you share the name of or a list of well-meaning teachers who you believe interpret the prophecies correctly? Thanks in Advance, J Staten
Newton said “About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will will turn their attention to the prophecies, and insist upon their “LITERAL” interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition”. Amazingly Newton admits that during his life time it wasn’t the end. Could it be that Daniel 12:4 which was the sealing up of the book until the time of the end wouldn’t allow Newton to see. We are back to another “mystery” which is a secret in the mind of the Lord until he reveals it. Just as he revealed several mysteries to Paul about the Body of Christ and the Catching away of the Believers until it was time. I believe Newton was called the first Christian Zionist, that the Jews would literally return to the land just as the scriptures teach. I once had an “Ole Pastor” who said sometimes “black ink of white paper means what it says” Let’s see Daniel a Jew writing about the Jews in Jerusalem in the last days. Could be a key to end time bible prophecy!!! J Staten
philip brewer i understand your interpretation and bear in mind i’m certainly not saying you must factually be incorrect. what i am saying is this: i have your interpretation being given to me, and i also have newton’s interpretation. now, newton is apparently predicting reality. newton predicts that israel would return from exile, perhaps not of themselves but by a kingdom friendly to them, preceding them; and that from the command to return jerusalem the final 7 sevens would run their course. now, newton specifically says, “if there should go forth a command to return jerusalem to its old inhabitants, the truth will fully appear in seven weeks”
okay so i see that israel has returned, not by their own hand, and jerusalem is returned to them. so i am now seeing that what newton predicted using the scripture is now reality. if i am looking for a “command to return jerusalem to its old inhabitants” then i see that clearly on june 7 this occurred and the command was given by one Moshe Dayan. Bear in mind you can say “but i interpret this as a knesset command to begin rebuilding the old city” but that is not what newton tells me, he says “if a command should go forth to return jerusalem to its old inhabitants” so i am saying, june 7 completely fulfils newton’s prediction. the date is even marked by a an-naksa mourning by the palestinians.
so while your interpretation could be the right one, it in fact has shown zero predictive power while newton’s is demonstrating off-the-charts predictive power. that is why i must consider newton’s interpretation as superior to yours; it is simply a matter of reason. it is not reasonable for me to put your interpretation in the same category as newton’s since his words have factual predictive power.
this puts the second coming at either 2015-2016 depending on our count. as far as i am academically concerned, any other dates being set are all equally probable, all having the same sense of being untested hypotheses, as it were- while newton’s interpretation has left hypothesis status, subjected to falsification, and demonstrated enormous predictive power: this is actually quite staggering as it appears that newton has, in fact, ran a three-hundred-year-long experiment and the scientific results are now in: newton has scientifically proven that God is sovereign, and the second coming is imminent. it’s actually mind-blowing as i consider it.
now, add to this the fact that, biblically speaking, i already know that the second coming will occur on yom kippur. i’ve known this for years. but i never though the actual year could be glimpsed. but if we count 49 360-day cycles we come out right on the very day Christ has to return (perhaps not the year- but we do in fact come out right on yom kippur). i add to this the information the three tetrads; and i note something apparently big is going to occur in 2014-2015.
so it goes:
Christ must return on yom kippur. bible fact.
newton predicts reality; a command to return jerusalem to its old inhabitants beginning a course of 7 prophetic weeks until the yom kippur second coming.
beginning june 7 counting 49 cycles of 360 ends on yom kippur.
in the middle of the final tetrad grouping alinging on the holy days.
newton is shooting the proverbial prophetic arrow straight and true along a perfect jubilee cycle to hit the bullseye of yom kippur in the midst of the final tetrad alignments. maybe nothing occurs, but at this point, it is beyond rational dispute that God is sovereign, and Christ will return on Sept 23, 2015. that is where the information leads.
please bear in mind i am not saying this is bible truth (except, the yom kippur part); your hypothesis may be correct but it is highly unlikely (though i do note the information you are transmitting as well- i do not simply cast it aside without a thought); remember that the reason i am coming to this conclusion is that newton is predicting reality; that means i MUST regard his interpretation as true, and yours as false, until your hypothesis demonstrates itself to be predicting reality.
Don’t leave out Newton’s prediction for the year 2060? . http://philosophyofscienceportal.blogspot.com/2008/06/newton-and-2060.html
The timeline I have shared is not “mine” by any means. We know that the Lord is not the author of confusion and as the Holy Scriptures tell us he cannot lie (Titus 1:2).
I am not talking about Jubilee periods, and you are correct that the end of the 49th Jubilee from the restoration of the Jewish people to their land will come to the Day of Atonement in 2015. What does that have to do with Daniel’s Weeks?
The Lord, through his Holy Spirit, gave Daniel the Prophecy as he saw fit…..and as such one cannot argue that in order for the word to be fulfilled, and the count to be accurate it must start “From the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem”
That commandment in 1969 by the Israeli government could not have occurred had they not retaken those portions of land in the 6 day War. So yes, 1967 was prophetically significant and necessary for the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem to go forth. Hence the Tetrad.
Let’s not strive over foolish questions and splitting hairs (Titus 3:9). The point here is THIS: No matter if you are Pre Trib, Pre Wrath, Post Trib, whatever the TIME is AT HAND NOW!!!!!!!!!
Repent and Prepare the Way in Righteousness and Holiness, Preach the Gospel for the Glory of Lord! Offer to set the Captives free from their bondage with the free Gift of the Lord’s Holy Spirit.
We must work the work he sent us to do while it is day; because the night is coming, when no man can work (John 9:4)
Grace and Peace be with all your Brothers! (& Sisters)
Also for the sake of clarity here since Newton’s views are the topic of conversation. What Newton believed was that the 70 Weeks spelled out the first AND second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He specifically thought that the 7 Week period referred to the Second Coming of our Lord (Which it does). Do not get the Second Coming as King of Kings and the taking of his Bride confused, they are separate events.
He (Newton) understood from Scripture that Israel would be gathered back into their land before the Second Coming (Isaiah 66:8-10). I have already shown that Ezekiel prophecied this thousands of years in advance. Israel is the Fig Tree (Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:7, Jeremiah 24, Matthew 24:32, Luke 21:29-30, Mark 13:28)
Grace and Peace be with you all!
Philip Brewer, Brother It couldn’t be said any better. Particularly your second response. From your lips to God’s ear. Keep Looking Up, James Staten
james staten it’s interesting you bring that up (the 2060 date) as i’ve been looking into newton’s works. it appears that newton did not intend the 2060 date to be regarded as a prediction at all. here is one link to an interesting article on the subject: http://www.isaac-newton.org/pdf/Snobelen%20Newton%202060%20CJH%202003%20hi%20res.pdf
newton also interpreted the 1,260 days as 1,260 years, and considered these the course of the papacy which would culminate alongside the 49 years. thus newton knew that if he could correctly establish when to start the count of the 1,260 days, he could also discover the time of the second coming through this information, since he believed the 1,260 years and the final 49 years would run concurrently and have the same terminal point. unfortunately, newton could never determine a precise date with which to begin the 1,260 year count. he considered multiple dates, and to these possible dates he simply added 1,260 years for a possible end date. Thus the figures such as 2034 and 2060 are to be understood as possible end dates based on the correct start date (which he could never satisfactorily determine for himself).
there was only one prediction that newton was certain of, and this was that when Jerusalem was returned to its old inhabitants, there would be 7 prophetic weeks until the second coming.
in the article snobelen writes: On a single folio at the end of an early eighteenth-century manuscript treatise on the Apocalypse, Newton considers four commencement dates [of the start of the 1,260 years]: 609, 774, 788 and 841 A.D. The first date provides conclusion dates for the 1260, 1290 and 1335 years of 1869, 1899 and 1944. Newton appears to have been attracted to the 609 date because of the decree of Phocas in or around this year that granted Pope Boniface IV the right to “set up the Images of the Virgin Mary and all the Martyrs in the place of the Images of Cybele and all the heathen Gods in the Pantheon at Rome and in their honour instituted the annual feast of all saints.” Image worship was a major litmus test of apostasy. The commencement date 774 relates to the acquisition of temporal power by the Pope. Newton writes that it was in 774 that “the Pope gained his temporal Estate dominion by the grant of Charles the great [Charlemagne] and thereby became a king and like ye rest of ye horns.” The commencement date 774 provides a conclusion date of 2034 A.D., arguably more dramatic than the one publicized in early 2003.
now, of further interest is that, counting by 360-day cycles from a commencement date of 774 provides a conclusion date of 2015 (unless my math is off). if not, i would be EXTREMELY interested in knowing if i can pin down that 774 date to a specific day of the year.
philip brewer newton clearly interprets two commands given in the weeks prophecy; from the command to return and rebuild ; 7 weeks and 62 weeks. all we are looking for at the second command is a return of jerusalem to its old inhabitants; newton plainly says this and june 7, 1967 clearly meets the criteria. this is no longer interpretation, newton has brought this into the arena of rational discourse and empirical observation. there is no possible rational reason for me to entertain your interpretation as remotely possible since it is now at odds with an interpretation that is observed as being accurate beyond rational dispute.
if you would have caught me before this i would be saying, “yeah, sure; your interpretation of the weeks prophecy is entirely possible; and so is his, and hers” but now that has become “newton is rationally correct therefore everyone else is rationally wrong. it’s nothing personal to anyone- it’s just the way it is. isaac newton is to blame for this; not me. that is to say, since newton’s interpretation is demonstrating itself to be extremely likely, that means all opposing theories become extremely unlikely.
you said “Do not get the Second Coming as King of Kings and the taking of his Bride confused, they are separate events” but this is cannot possibly be true since the apostle clearly states both things occur at an event called “the parousia of the Lord”- 1thess4:15-17; 2thess2:8. so, speaking in context of newton’s predictions i can now safely say that the catching up will occur at the sept 23, 2015 point. which blows my mind even right now but the information cannot be rationally denied so my hand is forced.
i have to side note here that newton’s work had time-constrained the prophetic timeline so we are going to be seeing the king of confusion launching his attack with all his host on tevet 10 and that is really REALLY looking like what all this mayan 2012 hype is intended to do- herald the parousia of the son of perdition. believe me when i tell you he’s coming, and he is going to wipe the church off the face of the earth- only a remnant of christians will escape the spiritual assault and remain faithful to the true King of Israel. i see clearly now that the means of escape is knowledge of the times as prophetic appointments. everyone is being taught to expect a horrible physical calamity but it is all a horrible spiritual calamity- and the christians are in the crosshairs. do not let anyone deceive you by any means: if he doesn’t come on tishri 10 he is NOT our Rock.
Eph 6:11-13 read it; learn it; live it. 1Pet 4:12
Hey Cobb can you email me? You can find my email address at 62cutoff. That is my website on this subject. You have some very very strong similarities to my understanding. Just wanted to see if we could talk about it.
issac newton was not a christian as he did not belive in the divinity of Jesus christ. I think he is more of an Arian which was defeated in the early church. Although revived through the free masons who are in christian terms like Issac newton Anti-christs. So i think using Newton aqs a source one has to take inthese facts that he is a wicked heritic and his doctrines are infact dangerous although i agree he was a mathematical genius. but he is an anti-christ so the fact he may have been a iconoclast could prove this thesis is the wrong thesis as the ark of the covenant had images of angels on it. Newton therefore does not have the holy spirit for his guide but the spirit of anti-christ satan the devil(lucifer). many of these alchemists were witches or wizards who worshiped lucifer.
there is evidence Newton was an anti-christ and also its not far to jump to the conclusion he was a luciferian as he was a mason a secret society which is the eternal enemy of the church and jesus christ himself. he may also have been a secret kabalist jew which means he is the worst kind of satanist and his work should be cast in the fire as Newton himself may very well have been into the fires of hell
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