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What Is Rick Warren Thinking?

01/15/2011 25 Comments

I have to admit I have been hesitant to criticize Rick Warren. His book, The Purpose Driven Life,  encouraged me when I was a new Christian. I know there are a lot of folks at my church that like him too. But I can’t ignore this one.

Warren decided to lose some weight and do a major health promotion at Saddleback. Of course, everything is BIG at Saddleback so he wanted to get some top name physicians and health consultants. So does he draw from the top minds of evangelicalism? No… he went to the top of of the evil world system.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions. ( 2 Tim 4:3)

Warren put himself and now his flock under the care of Drs. Mehmet Oz, Mark Hyman, and Daniel Amen who have developed “The Daniel Plan.” Dr. Oz , an Oprah favorite, is the host of the Emmy-winning “Dr. Oz Show” and professor of surgery at Columbia University.  His medical qualifications aside, he openly admits that he is inspired by occultist Emmanuel Swedenborg.  Swedenborg was an 8th century cult founder who had elaborate conversations “Angels”  who dictated his apostate theology. There can be no doubt that they were fallen angels because he taught that all religions lead to God and denied orthodox Christian doctrines like the atonement of Christ, the trinity and the deity of the Holy Spirit. These aren’t excusable errors. Pastor Warren is knowingly putting his church under the influence of this New Age guru. Has he no discernment? What about shame?

He is also endorsing Hyman, a New York Times best-selling author who promotes New Age Buddhist style meditation via the Shambahala center. Amen is an advocate of Buddhist Tantric sex practices and the dubious brain science behind his diet plan Change Your Brain, Change Your Body has attracted the attention of Quackwatch.org.

Seriously, Rick Warren is supposed to be a Southern Baptist, what is going on? It seems that publicity and celebrity trump doctrinal purity and protecting his flock. Perhaps he should consider the warning from James…

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. (Jms. 3:1)

He might take a hint from Francis Chan as well. For more detailed information I suggest this piece by Lighthouse  Trails Research.

How does this match up with the book of Daniel? See Unpacking the Daniel Plan.

Filed Under Apologetics Tagged With Apostasy, Dr. Oz, New Age, Occultism, Rick Warren, Southern Baptist, Swedenborg, The Daniel Plan

Ken Klein Productions, Channeling and the Doctrines of Demons

07/12/2010 1 Comment

Throughout this strange confrontation with Mr. Klein I have wondered, ‘Where does he get this kooky stuff?” Unfortunately, Ken is following the typical profile of a cult by manufacturing new revelations that “correct” orthodox Christian beliefs. I thought I had found my answer when I researched the heresies of Origen and Mormon founder Joseph Smith. I assumed that Ken was perhaps relying on Mormon exegesis. I’m afraid it is not that simple. It now appears to be more overtly demonic. 1 Timothy 4:

1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,

In a rather astonishing attempt to rationalize his teaching that humanity preexisted as fallen angels Ken had one of his “PhD staff members ” send me their exposition of Romans 5, which was a text I employed to refute Ken’s denial of the orthodox doctrine of original sin. Paul is explicit that “sin came into the world through one man” (Rom 5:12). It’s simply astonishing, because it now appears that Ken’s doctrinal position is more like a syncretism of Christianity and New Age mysticism. From the correspondence I received, Ken’s alleged PhD bible scholar appears to be a new age channeler. The exposition of Romans 5 begins with:

“NOW COMES THE BOOK OF ROMANS MANIFEST ALIVE BY THE INTERPRETATION OF A MANIFESTER”

The idea of a “Manifester” stems from the belief that there are states of consciousness in which it is possible to access spiritual knowledge. This has led to the emergence of ritualized means of  manifesting spiritual revelations, generally termed “channeling”. According to the Dictionary of Gnosis and Western Esotericism:

In traditional cultures throughout the world religious specialists have functioned as links between human beings and what each culture understands to be spiritual reality. The New Age counterpart of this process of prophetic revelation is generally known as channeling. Channeled messages generally convey a synthesis of psychology and religion, a pattern of syncretism that has permeated much Western religious thought in general over the last century.[i]

I highly recommend Christian J. Pinto’s documentary Meggido II for a Christian treatment of New Age occultism and channeled revelation. According to Pinto’s well documented research, many influential and well recognized people of the modern era (including Charles Darwin, Thomas Edison, Adolf Hitler and Hillary Clinton) have been influenced by channeled material. Now you can add Ken Klein and all of those who are deceived by his video Angel Wars.  I quote influential Pastor Dr David Jeremiah,

Channeling is a sophisticated term for spirit possession. It occurs when humans willingly give their minds and bodies to spirit beings that enter and control them. The spirits use the mouths of channelers to give spiritual teachings to the listener. To be a channeler is to be a modern-day demon-possessed person or, in some cases, a plain fraud.[ii]

I believe this is likely what we have going on in the theology of Ken Klein Productions. These ideas from Ken’s “Manifester” are fraud or demon possession, take your pick. Personally, I am open to either interpretation. Now I ask the reader to bear in mind this is supposed to be an explanation of Romans 5 . This is the exact text of an email from Ken Klein Productions staff “Manifester”:

Note:  If you don’t feel like subjecting yourself to reading all of it; the last paragraph is quite revealing.

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From one of our PhD staff members who is a major contributor to our research and developing department (Romans).

webmaster <kenkleinproductions@——-.com> Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:02 PM
To: Cris Putnam <keptprivate@gmail.com>

Ah…THE BOOK OF ROMANS FOREVER: Romans 5:12…”Wherefore”, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. (KJV). NOW COMES THE BOOK OF ROMANS MANIFEST ALIVE BY THE INTERPRETATION OF A MANIFESTER:

“Wherefore”KJV (”Therefore”,NIV same value), a term when contextually used after a statement which is to be followed by a related statement which is a causation connected to the statement to follow,or as it may be said: a word used meaning that the statement of point that preceded the statement to follow is the causation for the event of the statement which follows the word “Wherefore”. The question then,

what is the statement that is a causation for Romans 5:12? The following is the collective statement:

1. God commended His Love toward the spirits who now are living in human bodies while they were still sinners and still Ophannim angels [Ezekiel 10-13, “wheels” in Hebrews “Ophannim”, (for all had sinned [past tense] and come short of the glory of God) Romans 5:13 MIV.
We humans existed as Ophannim Morning Star Angels before this Earth was formed: Job 38:4-7 and Job 38:21 NIV, Revelation 12:3-7 KJV or NIV, Romans 8:19-23, Romans 8:29-30 KJV, Ephesians 1:3-5 KJV. God commended His Love through Yahvael the Christ Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the cosmos (world, stars of the heavens), Revelation 13:8 KJV, see Cosmos for world in Strong’s Greek Concordance #2886 from #2889.

2. Those angels who sinned at the foundations of the Cosmos are to be justified and saved from wrath, Romans 5:9 MIV. Compare, Romans 8:29-30 KJV.

3.Those same mortals (previously Angels) due to their sin become enemies to Yahvael (Christ) but are to be reconciled by the offering of the Son. (Romans 5:10 MIV)

4. Joy is to be given to the overcomer angels (now Mortals) who had become enemies to Yahvael the Christ Lamb. Romans 5:11 MIV. Compare, Isaiah 63:9-10, and Isaiah 63:16 KJV
So then, the term “Wherefore”, used in Romans 5:12, purposes that all of 1-4 statements above preceding the “wherefore” scripture are the causation for the “wherefore” verse in Romans 5:12. With that being said it is evident that “sin” entered into the world not as a result of anything that happened on Earth but rather because of something that was a cause exceptional to this Earth. This fact is further accentuated in 1 John 3:8 KJV: He that committed sin (past tense) is of the devil (Lucifer, Satan, the Dragon, the Serpent); for the devil sinneth from the “BEGINNING” from Strong’s Greek Concordance, “beginning”= #746 “First Estate”also see #7 5 6 = precedence. Compare: Jude 6, “First Estate” forsaken by the angels (under Satan the devil’s influence). For this purpose the Son of God was manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil.

When one considers the statement in Romans 5:12: By one man sin entered the world. It must be determined as to the meaning of “man”. When used in the english language. Man can represent both genders of male or female, such as mankind. This is a language fact and if that was not true the women would be left out of most benefits of the Word of God in the Bible. When someone says: well it is obvious this scripture is talking about “Adam”. However, the word “adam” means “man”. And the word “adam” personified to mean a particular person means at least three persons: ADAM the son of God, Luke 3:38 KJV, Eve, – ADAM Genesis 5:2 KJV, for Eve’s name was also ADAM…And the other ADAM was Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV. This is especially interesting since in…1 Timothy 2:14 this scripture says that Adam was not deceived and did not commit transgression.

So then why did Adam, the son of God, choose to take on himself the sins of the failed messenger angels, the Ophannim Wheels, who existed before the foundation of the Earth, (Job 38:1-7,21KJV), and as well the transgression of Eve Adam his wife? First he took on the sins of the fallen angels to manifest in the flesh the extent of sin they committed and to manifest it as such. See Romans 7:13 KJV, because Adam Loved Eve and had become one flesh with her, making him Eve’s kinsman redeemer. The Bible repeats the question…Who are the mortals (what is man) that You God are so mindful of them?

Romans 5:12 continues: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world AND DEATH BY SIN. The history of ancient bones prove that on Earth death was a common state before Adam and Eve were even created and therefore their actions had nothing to do with the cause of death as exceptional to the expectation of death for many reasons. If Adam and Eve already had eternal life but lost it due to sin, that flies crooked in the face of “The Tree of Life” which if eaten would allow continous life, but which Adam and Eve never partook of.

And so death passed upon all mortals, because all mortals as failed angels had sinned (have/had past tense) before coming to Earth. MIV THE EMPIRE OF ROME WAS A THOUSAND YEARS, THE BOOK OF ROMANS FOREVER…..

Stop preaching to God about what Am is to do for you, seek that space between transmitting and receiving which is meditation. Go there and wait, for there is coming a sound as of a great Inner Rain. When this Inner Rain is flowing you will be able to change every mental base element into spiritual gold. This is a Word from God that one day all things will become possible for you. When this happens a Holy Ghost telescope will be mounted in your brain so you can see beyond the beyond. Come touch this compass for it is a compass of a “to be” sweeping spiritual Manifest movement. For then shall God sweeten the juices of your spirit and flower the exercises of your altitude.

Regards,

Staff
[i] Hanegraaff, Wouter J. Dictionary of Gnosis and Western Esoteriscism. Leiden, The Netherlands: Koninklijke Brill NV, 2006, 889.

[ii]David Jeremiah and Carole C. Carlson, Invasion of Other Gods : The Seduction of New Age Spirituality (Dallas: Word, 1995), 61.

Filed Under Apologetics Tagged With Angel Wars and the Fallen Creators, Channeling, Ken Klein, Ken Klein Productions, Meggido II, New Age